Todd Gitlin (author of "The Intellectuals and the Flag") debunked in debate challenge

Professor Todd Gitlin (author of "The Intellectuals and the Flag" from Columbia University Press July 6, 2007) was debunked by Dr. Rex Curry (author of "The Pledge of Allegiance & the Bellamys") shortly after the publication of Gitlin's book.  The topic of the debate challenge was the Pledge of Allegiance and its putrid past.

Gitlin used his book to laud Francis Bellamy, the author of the Pledge of Allegiance (and a socialist) and to laud Edward Bellamy (cousin to Francis, also a socialist, and author of the international bestseller "Looking Backward" that spawned a worldwide socialist movement).

Gitlin's remarks suggest that he is ignorant about the history of the anti libertarian Pledge of Allegiance, and the following points were the topics proposed for the debate challenge:

Gitlin seems ignorant of the fact that the Pledge of Allegiance originally used a straight-arm salute.  

Gitlin has probably never viewed actual historic photographs of the early pledge.

Gitlin seems unaware of recent discoveries by Dr. Rex Curry showing that Francis Bellamy's pledge was the origin of the salute of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Gitlin seems unaware that the Bellamys were self-proclaimed National Socialists and they supported the "Nationalism" movement in the USA, the "Nationalist" magazine, the "Nationalist Educational Association," and their dogma of "military socialism" and an "industrial army," and Edward inspired the "Nationalist Party" (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists in Germany.

Gitlin even seems to be unaware that the actual name of Hitler's group was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," and that the group did not use the hackneyed shorthand that is used by most university professors.

Gitlin's book is a reminder of the terrifying "American experiment" that Edward Bellamy wanted to impose on the USA.

Francis Bellamy and Edward Bellamy (author of the novel "Looking Backward") and Charles Bellamy (author of "A Moment of Madness") and Frederick Bellamy (who introduced Edward to socialistic "Fourierism") were socialists.  Edward, Charles and Frederick were brothers, and Francis was their cousin. They considered themselves to be very patriotic. They wanted to nationalize everything and they wanted all of society to ape the military and they touted "military socialism" and the "industrial army."  Edward's book was an international bestseller, translated into every major language (including Russian, German, Chinese & Italian) and he inspired the "Nationalist Party" (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists worldwide (including Russia, Germany, China & Italy) via "Nationalist Clubs."

The philosophy behind the pledge inspired socialists in those countries that suffered the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): ~60 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million slaughtered under the Peoples' Republic of China; ~20 million slaughtered under the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

The book does to much to affirm the statist quo and the author's "own side."  A fair criticism is that Gitlin is trapped in a straight-jacket of left-right political analysis, as taught in government schools. Gitlin thereby shows that there is no difference between republican-socialists and democrat-socialists and that explains why the government keeps growing. But his book could be used to help people learn how the flag and the pledge debunk grade-school political analysis.

At the time that Mussolini and Hitler found their salute they were both self-proclaimed socialists and leaders in their movements. Adolf Hitler's symbol (the swastika), although it was an ancient symbol, was used sometimes by the National Socialist German Workers Party to represent overlapping "S" letters for their "socialism," as shown in the book "Swastika Secrets" by Dr. Rex Curry.  The same symbolism is shown in the bizarre signature of Hitler, which Hitler altered to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist"; in the fact that the NSGWP's symbol was turned 45 degrees to the horizontal and oriented in the S direction; and in similar alphabetic symbolism that still shows on Volkswagens.

The raised-arm salute was not an ancient Roman salute, and the "ancient Roman salute" is a myth. The Roman myth grew in many ways, including the use of the USA’s pledge salute in early movies showing fictional Roman scenes.

Gitlin says that we need critics who are patriots -- and patriots who are critics.  But the patriotism and the dogma that inspired the USSR, PRC, & NSGWP is cult-like membership that was oddly similar to the robotic chanting of the Pledge of Allegiance in government schools (socialist schools). The book shows that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.

The Bellamys promoted a government takeover of schools.  When the government granted their wish, the government schools imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official government policy.  The schools mandated the robotic chanting of the pledge with the German-style salute and persecuted and expelled children who would not comply, arrested parents, and even took children from parents on allegations of "unfit parenting."

The USA still follows similar anti libertarian policies promoted by the Bellamys. Many socialist Bellamy policies caused the USA’s big, expensive and oppressive government and its growing police-state. The Pledge still exists along with laws mandating that teachers lead the robotic pledge chanting every day for twelve years of each child’s life (though the salute was altered). The government still owns and operates schools, including the same schools that imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official government policy.  The U.S. practice of imposing segregation by law in government schools and teaching racism as official policy even outlasted the National Socialist German Workers' Party by over 15 years. After segregation in government's schools ended, the Bellamy legacy caused more police-state racism of forced busing that destroyed communities and neighborhoods and deepened hostilities. Those schools still exist.  Infants are given social security numbers that track and tax them for life.  Government schools demand the numbers for enrollment.

The pledge has become an example of how dangerous government schools are.  The pledge is a primary justification for ending government schools.  As the saying goes "remove the pledge from the flag, the flag from the schools, and the schools from government."

The government in the USA and the government schools hide those facts from people in the USA and from people in other countries.

Gitlin's book is a fascinating look at how people can be so bamboozled by government propaganda that they don't even know it.

TODD GITLIN Intellectuals and the Flag George Orwell original socialist salute to U.S. flag

This photograph (and many others on this web site) illustrates a difference between the Pledge of Allegiance in the past and in the present. In the past, there was time when the flag and pledge occurred outside, and no flag was inside the classroom(s).  That practice emphasized the militaristic nature of the Bellamy dogma of "military socialism" in that children either 1) assembled and waited outside before school began, enduring injurious weather, until the forced ritual chanting was led by the teacher, or 2) they entered the school and then, at a designated time, they marched outside into injurious weather.

It is difficult to say whether a common modern practice is better or worse: there is often a flag in EVERY classroom. State government dictates the expenditure and the size of the federal flags and their ubiquitous placement. The omnipresent flag is viewed all the time by all children. The orwellian ritual then occurs via a barking or pre-recorded voice over an intercom, often accompanied by martial music and even bizarre video piped over school televisions.  

The pledge tracks the book "1984" by George Orwell (1949).  Orwell describes a government that uses these slogans: Freedom is Slavery; War is Peace;  Ignorance is Strength. The government bamboozled Americans into believing that collective robotic chanting in government schools daily is a beautiful expression of freedom. Chanters let the catch-phrase "with liberty and justice for all" delude them from the totalitarian reality of the behavior. Government schools maintain strength by maintaining ignorance about the pledge's true history. Wars over the pledge coincide with never-ending wars abroad under Bellamy's military socialism in the USA.     

Who's your nanny? Who's your daddy? The government is your mommy and daddy under socialism, the dogma of the Bellamys. They wanted the government to take over education and they wanted a flag over every school so that everyone would know their new nanny and daddy.

The original debate challenge included this remark: If acceptance of the debate challenge is not received within one week then, via your default, victory will be publicly declared over you (via your default) on this topic in this debate challenge.