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A recent scholarly debate challenge confirms new discoveries regarding symbolism and salutes under the horrid National Socialist German Workers' Party.  Dr. Rex Curry is the victor in a recent debate challenge over N. S. Gill and Irene Hahn. The debate topic concerned Dr. Curry's new discoveries about swastika symbolism (see http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html ).  Neither Gill nor Hahn disputed Dr. Curry's work.  Gill and Hahn are hosts of an Ancient/Classical History Forum.  Hahn is also webmaster for the Stamford Historical Society (U.S.) and Gill is a Latinist and a lifelong student of ancient history. Gill and Hahn join the growing recognition in academia of Professor Curry's ground-breaking work. http://rexcurry.net/debate-rex-curry.html

Professor Curry showed that the swastika, although an ancient symbol, was sometimes used by Nazis as meshed "S" letters for the "socialism" of the horrid National Socialist German Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a.html  Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist" http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a.html Curry changed the way that people view the symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg

Dr. Curry is also the victor in another debate challenge over Irene Hahn concerning the "Roman" salute.  The debate topic was Dr. Curry's discoveries concerning the "ancient Roman salute" myth:

1. Dr. Curry showed that the USA's first Pledge of Allegiance used a straight-arm salute and it was the origin of the salute of the monstrous National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis). http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance.jpg  Professor Curry helped to establish that it was not an ancient Roman salute, and that the "ancient Roman salute" is a myth. http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html

2. The Pledge began with a military salute that then stretched out toward the flag. Historic photographs are at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html and at http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html   Due to the way that both gestures were used, the military salute led to the Nazi salute. The Nazi salute is an extended military salute. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

3. Francis Bellamy (author of the "Pledge of Allegiance") and Edward Bellamy (author of the novel "Looking Backward") and Charles Bellamy (author of "A Moment of Madness") were socialists.  Edward and Charles were brothers, and Francis was their cousin. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed National Socialists and they supported the "Nationalism" movement in the USA, the "Nationalist" magazine, the "Nationalist Educational Association," and their dogma of "military socialism," and Edward inspired the "Nationalist Party" (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists in Germany,  http://rexcurry.net/bellamy-edward-german-connections.html and the Pledge was the origin of the Nazi salute.

In Dr. Curry's spirit of good sportsmanship, he is making the same debate challenge to N. S. Gill regarding the "Roman" salute myth.  Please encourage N.S. Gill to accept Dr. Curry's challenge to the  new debate.

Dr. Curry's first debate victory over Gill and Hahn arose after Gill and Hahn participated in forum discussions concerning ancient and modern interpretations of the swastika symbol.  At first, Curry was puzzled about why Gill and Hahn would discuss modern myths about the swastik in a forum about ancient and classical history. Gill was the moderator of the forum and as moderator Gill had posted the following question from a forum member: "Does anyone know why the Swastika symbol is tilted 45 degrees by the Nazi's?  They also use clock and counter clock wise symbols at the same time. Was this due to negligence or did it have specific reasons?" Dr. Curry graciously attempted to assist Gill and Hahn by answering that question and related questions, because Dr. Curry's historical work discovered the answer. Dr. Curry's direct answers to the direct questions on the forum mysteriously disappeared.  Dr. Curry contacted Gill and Hahn, questioning the apparent intellectual dishonesty in the forum.  It turned out that Gill anonymously and without explanation deleted Dr. Curry's direct answers to the forum's direct questions.  Thereafter, a debate challenge was arranged, with Dr. Curry against Gill and Hahn.  Dr. Curry was the victor.

Gill is a freelance writer in the Twin Cities and her articles have appeared in newspapers (including the Pioneer Press and Star Tribune) and homeschooling magazines across the country.  Perhaps, her debate loss to Professor Curry will inspire Gill to write about her new knowledge of historic symbolism, and share that knowledge with readers everywhere.

Similar to Dr. Curry, Gill is a lifelong student of ancient history.  Gill claims to frown upon self-promotion, however, the following information is only a part of what is listed next to her photos at the forum: As an undergraduate, Gill studied Classics at The University of Chicago and The University of Minnesota. She continued with Latin in graduate school at the University of Minnesota. Gill's Masters papers dealt with the mistaken dating of an Oxyrrhynchus papyrus and the structure of Ovid's Ars Amatoria.  

Here is a quote from Gill: "....I hope to shake the dust out of history by making it lively, relevant, and entertaining for everyone. In particular, rather than looking for sites that only scholars can understand, I am looking for sites that will stimulate a lifelong interest in history for children and adults."   And Dr. Curry shares those goals.  However, Gill's quote contrasts with Dr. Curry's experience in the forum that Gill and Hahn host, and where Gill anonymously and without explanation deleted Dr. Curry's direct answers to the forum's direct questions.

Gill has lived in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area since 1970 and she says it is "a culture where people are so nice it can cause problems."   It is a quote that contrasts with Dr. Curry's experience in the forum that Gill and Hahn host, and where Gill anonymously and without explanation deleted Dr. Curry's direct answers to the forum's direct questions.

Hahn also hosts a Roman History Reading Group.

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TumartHOSTAA is the intellectually dishonest Assistant Moderator of an Agnosticism/Atheism forum. http://rexcurry.net/debate-rex-curry.html  Like many forum moderators, TumartHOSTAA does his dirty work anonymously, hiding behind a pen-name and posting no additional information in his profile. Tumart blocks valid responses to the personal attacks and kookiness of his forum “pals." But Tumart does not delete the personal attacks and kookiness of his “pals.” Tumart protects the personal attacks and kookiness of his “pals.” Tumart blocks accurate information about the discoveries by Dr. Rex Curry that expose the history of Nazism in the USA.  Tumart's behavior is similar to that of neo-Nazis who cover up for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

Respondents who post off-topic insults deserve to be mocked with their insults thrown back to them.  Therefore, Tumart: First, desist accusing Dr. Curry of simply copying and pasting webpages on this forum.   Dr. Curry's discoveries  introduced a topic for debate.  This forum is not the soapbox for people who post off-topic insults.  They may not simply wallpaper off-topic insults as posts or responses.  If you paid any attention to what was happening, or if you were not intellectually dishonest, then you would warn the respondents to Dr. Curry's topic or gag or ban them.  You simply reveal yourself.

Second, as you noted yourself in your response, the moderator of About Ancient/Classical History was also intellectually dishonest, showing the same failure to reason that you do.  As you know, that is almost certainly because she knew Dr. Curry to be correct and she had no response, but did not want her forum to know the truth.  You know this because she was specifically challenged to a debate and lost.  Your comments otherwise are known to be incorrect.  That is also why the episode is retold on a webpage.  Tumart, you know Dr. Curry to be correct and you have no response, but you do not want your forum to know the truth.

The dishonesty that exists in Tumart's forum and in other forums does not go without response elsewhere.  And whenever any forum moderator (such as Tumart) deliberately protects off-topic insults and deletes the truth, and prevents a response on Dr. Curry's behalf, then that moderator will also have a response on other webpages and multiple searchable locations where that moderator will be able to view that moderator being exposed and that moderator will not be allowed to respond either, so that the moderator will receive the same treatment in return.  So long as you demonstrate a willingness to engage in rational debate about Dr. Curry's discoveries and so long as you threaten those who post off-topic insults (instead of threatening anyone who responds to those off-topic insults by repeating the insults back to their originators, mocking their inability to debate), then you have the benefit of the doubt.

Additional note:  Which benefit of a doubt you no longer have, given your inability to perceive the trolling behavior  of off-topic insults in this thread to which you issue no condemnation of those who originate the insults, and instead you threaten the person who responds in kind to off-topic insults.  You must be blind and intellectually dishonest.   Good-bye.  If this unfair and intellectually dishonest behavior persists then you can look for additional responses on this webpage and elswhere. http://rexcurry.net/debate-rex-curry.html 
 
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A dishonest host has apparently blocked responses therefore the responses were posted elsewhere on the web.  Some of those posts will not be found by the host that they expose (so the host will not be able to delete them).  Others posts will be found, but it will not be possible for the host or others to respond. It is hoped that they enjoy the reciprocal treatment.  http://rexcurry.net/debate-rex-curry.html

Respondents who post off-topic insults deserve to be mocked with their insults thrown back to them. Therefore:  Tan-Man (Tanron2)  Leave.  Now.  And don't try to pull this sh*t on me either. 
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Thank you Andi03 for conceding that you have no knowledge about what happened. You should have the utmost disrespect for Mr. Tumart as a moderator as what he did is clear, whether you choose to not look at it.  That is why tumart and the other intellectually dishonest people at about.com are addressed at  http://rexcurry.net/debate-rex-curry.html  About.com is too intellectually dishonest to allow information like that. This discussion was closed to posting and that shows that you are also intellectually dishonest, so that you have been added to the website, Andi03 along with nganga2 (nganga21 or Karen). Thank you for conceding that you are supremely unsure about what happened.  Pretending otherwise does not change the fact that you know nothing about what you write.  As you note, people who want to hide behind their dirty work have the "right" not to fill out all of the information asked in the profile, this is the prerogative of anyone who wants to hide while he does his dirty work. Thank you for conceding that point again.  The forum HATES truthful responses and opinions and posters that say that they are wrong when they are shown as such and you know that is the case because you have read of this incident under discussion and you can see what happened if you bother to look, you have no evidence to the contrary and pretending otherwise does not change the facts for you no matter what you wish to write.   If you show them respect "over there" and notify them of Dr. Curry's discoveries then they will post off-topic insults to you and if you respond they will ban you.  Try it and see.  Your problem is you have nothing intersting to say so you do not ever disagree with them in any important way.  It is electronic community etiquette to leave the other forums' business in other forums, so thanks for conceding that point also. And as usual you pretend that this has no relevance to you or this forum and you intend to do nothing about it but to pretend it didn't happen and post your imaginary ideas.

    Citizen12 did not know that the USA's first Pledge of Allegiance used a straight-arm gesture http://rexcurry.net/semiskimmed-rob-hinkley.html and that it was the origin of the gesture of the monstrous National Socialist German  Workers' Party http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html as discovered by Dr. Rex Curry. Citizen12 did not even know that "Nazi" means "National Socialist German Workers' Party."   Thanks for conceding all of Dr. Curry's points and for not  disputing a word of it. Of course, you embarassed yourself by telling everyone how igorant you were and how you have just been schooled, and that you have no response.
    Respondents who post off-topic insults deserve to be mocked with their insults thrown back to them.
Therefore, citizen12:  You are persecuted everywhere you go, it seems.  You cannot figure it out.  Actually, that was both an insult and sarcasm for citizen12.  Now citizen12 doesn't even make sense.  He has been persecuted and there is so much that he tries to figure out but can't.  Besides, it is likely that anyone would consider persecuting him, since everyone loathes him.  Just ask if you don't believe it.  And thanks again for conceding that Dr. Curry is correct. 
    See how your game works citizen12?  Enjoy being mocked?  Is it as funny when someone repeats your trash to you as when you post your trash? 

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A recent scholarly debate challenge confirms new discoveries regarding symbolism and salutes under the horrid National Socialist German Workers' Party.  Dr. Rex Curry is the victor in a recent debate challenge over Ms. Jennifer Rose Emick and Mr. Tatarize. The debate topic concerned Dr. Curry's new discoveries about swastika symbolism (see http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html ).  Neither Ms. Emick nor Mr. Tatarize disputed Dr. Curry's work.  Emick is a guide or host of an Alternative Religions Forum and a self-described artist, writer, and religious educator. Tatarize is unemployed. Emick and Tatarize join the growing recognition in academia of Professor Curry's ground-breaking work. http://rexcurry.net/debate-rex-curry.html

Professor Curry showed that the swastika, although an ancient symbol, was sometimes used by Nazis as meshed "S" letters for the "socialism" of the horrid National Socialist German Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a.html  Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized "S" letter for "socialist" http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a.html Curry changed the way that people view the symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

In Dr. Curry's spirit of good sportsmanship, he is making the same debate challenge to Emick and Tatarize regarding the "Roman" salute myth.  Please encourage them to accept Dr. Curry's challenge to the  new debate.

1. Dr. Curry showed that the USA's first Pledge of Allegiance used a straight-arm salute and it was the origin of the salute of the monstrous National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis). Professor Curry helped to establish that it was not an ancient Roman salute, and that the "ancient Roman salute" is a myth. http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html

2. The Pledge began with a military salute that then stretched out toward the flag. Historic photographs are at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html and at http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html   Due to the way that both gestures were used, the military salute led to the Nazi salute. The Nazi salute is an extended military salute. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

3. Francis Bellamy (author of the "Pledge of Allegiance") and Edward Bellamy (author of the novel "Looking Backward") and Charles Bellamy (author of "A Moment of Madness") were socialists.  Edward and Charles were brothers, and Francis was their cousin. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed National Socialists and they supported the "Nationalism" movement in the USA, the "Nationalist" magazine, the "Nationalist Educational Association," and their dogma of "military socialism," and Edward inspired the "Nationalist Party" (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists in Germany,  http://rexcurry.net/bellamy-edward-german-connections.html and the Pledge was the origin of the Nazi salute.

Dr. Curry's first debate victory over Emick and Tatarize arose after Emick and Tatarize attempted to participate in forum discussions concerning symbols and symbolism and about the swastika symbol.  Dr. Curry graciously assisted the forum participants by answering questions, because Dr. Curry's historical work  is related to the topic. Dr. Curry's comments were met with odd comments from the unemployed Mr. Tatarize, and Dr. Curry responded appropriately.  Emick then tried to cover-up for Mr. Tatarize and for her own ignorance.  Both of them were asked about the apparent intellectual dishonesty in the forum.  Thereafter, the debate victory was announced with Dr. Curry as the victor over Ms. Emick and Mr. Tatarize.

Emick is a self-described writer and "religious educator," and it is hoped that her debate loss to Professor Curry will inspire Emick to write about her new knowledge of historic symbolism, and share that knowledge with readers everywhere.

Here is a quote from Jennifer Emick: "Tolerance of the views and beliefs of others is the first step toward understanding; understanding is the first step toward peace. Tolerance does not mean accepting another person's beliefs, but accepting their right to have those beliefs."  And Dr. Curry shares those goals.  However, Emick's quote contrasts with Dr. Curry's experience in the forum that Emick "guides."

Jennifer Rose Emick, consider this a warning- if you continue to conduct yourself in the way of protecting people who initiate insults and who do not address the topic, then you will be reported for your dishonesty  without a second thought.   Further, you have conducted the same grotesque conduct  in that you have failed to address the topic.  Instead, you are trying to suppress the actual topic and  discussion by issuing threats against the on-topic remarks and those remarks that respond to people who initiate insults and that respond to people (like you) who protect others who initiate insults, while you  also fail to address the topic.  How intellectually dishonest are you?   By your very own statement you are a fancy pants elitist.  You are involved with a group known as "alternative spirituality" and yet you protect those who initiate insults, threaten those who respond to insults, fail to take action against those who initiate insults, and you fail to address the topic yourself.  You are simply out-witted, you know you are wrong and you know that the only way you can save face is delete posts that expose you and your cohort.  

You do deserve to be thanked for conceding defeat in your debate (and by the concession that Mr. Tatarize was also defeated) regarding Dr. Curry's work.  Due to your comments after your loss, you will be treated in a reciprocal manner. If you continue to conduct yourself in that way, then you will not be allowed to respond to the debate victory announcement in the forums where it will be posted and you will not even be informed of those forums, and any attempts by you to respond will be dropped without a second thought.

N.S. Gill, Irene Hahn Jennifer Rose Emick, Mr. Tatarize, ABOUT.COM, meet defeat.
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N.S. Gill, Irene Hahn Jennifer Rose Emick, Mr. Tatarize, ABOUT.COM, are defeated in debate challenge.
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N.S. Gill, Irene Hahn Jennifer Rose Emick, Mr. Tatarize, ABOUT.COM, are defeated in debate challenge.
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